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buying a daily 4x4
Topic Started: Apr 27 2017, 09:04 PM (1,482 Views)
kelber
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hi guys, i'm new and i don't know if it's the right place, but i need some tips...i've found a camper on iveco daily 4x4 2500 TDI of 1991, but i don't know much about this kind of vehicle...so...what you think it's better that i control before buying? some critical point?

Edited by kelber, Jun 16 2017, 05:48 AM.
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graysworld
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Welcome,
This is a good place so is https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ivecodaily4x4/conversations/messages

Check for rust, between chassis rails and the cab under the wheeel arch and the step.
check the front axles (very expensive) Check condition of front brake disks also expensive.
Check 4x4 operates including freewheel hub.

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thanks graysworld for the quik reply..tuesday i go to take some picture and i'll post so anyone with major knowledge than mine can confirm the real condition...
Edited by kelber, Jun 16 2017, 05:51 AM.
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what you think about it?
how does it seems?
in my opinion for a 26 years old vehicle it's in good condition...yes, there some rust, but it seems nothing critical...
i'm right or not?
Edited by kelber, Jun 16 2017, 05:50 AM.
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It does not seem too bad. The first thing I notice is the inner CV boots are split. There are alternatives available from ebay but the half shafts will need stripping and cleaning. If they have been split for a long time there could be damage to the cv joints which is very very expensive. It will not pass a MOT or equivelent with split cv boots. Most people who own these vehicles can either afford to pay someone to do the work or are confident to do the work themselves or willing to learn. The fuel tank is metal and are prone to rusting. The can be replaced with plastic ones from Eurocargo if you have enough space. Expect to have to replace all the rubber bushes eventually as they will be perished.

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kelber
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well, how much could cost have it done by a mechanic? 'cause i've no knowledge nor instruments to do that....
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I do all my own work so I don't know. Main dealer is expensive. Bolts can be seized. If the torsion bar bushes are perished this would be very expensive as it is a long job. Ask some local garages.

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I'm not familiar with the 4x4s at all, but it looks to me like there is a huge stack of leaf springs in there, and they look almost flat.

I would want to see that thing on a weighbridge before purchase!
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Good Point Spooky, I am very familiar with the 4x4 having owned one for 9 years and done lots of renovation work. Those springs are massive and not usual. I have heavy duty springs and don't have the extra top ones you see in the photo. I would find out how much it weighs as well.

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the vehicle registration certificate say 2850kg 'till 3500kg full charged..
and for the tyre it says 7.50 R16C PR8 (112/110L) or 7.50 R16C PR10 (116/114L) or 7.50 R16C PR12 ( 121/120L)
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If I were you I would weigh it, as to make these 3500kg gross weight they are downrated from 4050kg. (licence restriction 3500kg) I have uprated mine to 4450kg to allow for everything. At 3500kg you must be close to the weight limit with that body. It does not allow much for fuel and water. I am not 100% sure but I think they weigh 2600kg with no body.

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3500kg...eek! I was expecting it to be around 4.5 or 5 ton.

Kelber, I would find out the max gross weight and the actual weight (remember the buyer will probably weigh it with empty fuel and water tanks, no personal belongings or humans)

If your license allows you to drive over 3.5t, you would need to check if it can be uprated via a paper exercise. It looks like both the front and rear suspensions have been changed as they are freshly painted, other notable point would be if the tyres are already rated for the heavier weight.

I'd guess its around 4t actual weight, that beefed up rear axle has probably added 50-100kg by itself!
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The tyres actually fitted look like 255/100 Michelin XZLs and the ones on the back as spares look like similar size sand/mud tyres.

I'd say you such a vehicle is likely to need continual maintenance. So you either need to be competent yourself, have a very good mechanic friend, or deep pockets. I'd recommend the former, because that helps when you are broken down away from anywhere! To give an example for the front shafts, an Iveco garage could replace the boots and may charge £100 each just for the rubber, labour extra. If the fault is deeper, then they have no other options but to replace the half shaft assembly - that's about £2000 each side.

The state of the CV boots on the front half shafts is a matter of serious concern. It is a sign it has not been looked after. It may be there is a fault - if the CV joint fails it will rip the CV boot. Without 4WD working this is an overweight 2WD vehicle worth half the asking price if that.
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thanks guys for all the tips...tomorrow i'll go to inspect the vehicle and so, later i'll tell you something...
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nothing to do...too bad conditions...some big water infiltration, engine with rust and oil loss everywhere...beautifull truck, but the owner didn't take care of it...
...and now looking for something else...thanks to all...
Edited by kelber, May 7 2017, 10:07 AM.
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