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Topic Started: Sep 29 2011, 07:30 AM (7,220 Views)
yiannism
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I am willing to discuss with anyone interested about HHO...I can explain in more details how does it work, and that the amount of electricity you consume to produce it,, does not have to be that much....when i started building my own kit...i put down every aspect before i design it..and thats including practicality, and mostly...efficiency...Efficiency that you get from what you supply the unit (amount of current) and what amount of HHo you get from that...this is were most people go wrong..(the unit does not always have to be bulky and big to produce a specific amount of HHO...it has to be EFFICIENT.

My tests on several cars i installed it, shows that we get what we need to get, and thats fuel saving.
So actually..in plain words...someone will say....you draw for example 20amps from your alternator..meaning is working harder to produce it..so you burn more fuel....NO, Thats not the way....In real life tests...the 20amps you draw from your alternator..in connection with how much HHO this 20amp gives you...comes out to be more economical..you got to have it working in harmony with the whole engine.,...you cant just draw50amps current to produce HHO..but at the end you using only 50% of what you producing....the rest is useless..
On the other hand...if you dont know exactly what your doing and how an HHO systems works, with full measuremens,,,you will end up with much less fuel savings that you normally do..and this is because, when the engine sucks air...it calculates the amount of air, the quality of air, and the ecu send the appropriate amount of diesel to the compastion to burn..conclusion is..MORE HHO DOES NOT MEAN more fuel savings..it might turn like boomerang ending to spend more fuel..

Efficieny and harmonic operation is what makes the system work..

Of course i am open in any help or details anyone needs to be informed, my backround gives me ability to do that, and discuss all apsects about it.(maths, chemist, and electronics)

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John
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Ok... so i just bought the "Power Box 2" on Ebay! ooooooooooh exciting times! lol
& its already so powerful... its funny, i did a massive wheelspin today about 7 car lengths! i started it off pulling out of a junction quickly (u know, how u do sometimes...) & it just kept on burning rubber like a Badboy! a vehicle the size of mine shouldnt be able to do that :D (might be due to the fact its completely empty in the back... no ply lining or anything)...

Oh yeah...Dry road, no rain!
Edited by Babooser, Jan 26 2013, 10:49 PM.
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No doubt I will be in touch in the future, anything that improves fuel consumption is a big yes as long as it is cost effective,and there are no negatives to the mechanics of the engine or indeed bad effects on pollution control.
The mileages you are clocking up seem to prove this,one thing we have to watch in england is the overwhelming interest the vehicle inspectorate take when your vehicle is tested or pulled in roadside, not that in itself its a bad thing as for our own safety that vehicles are well maintained etc, but the problem seems to arrise with "modified " vehicles ........ pictures are good ,any more info will always be of interest to members on here.thanks and regards Paul
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You got to be carefull with that..you might end up watching the rear of the van in front of you,(or the road ending when u drive side ways :) ) as the van is rear wheell drive..you got to be gentle on it, and when you install the power box...dont over do it with the jumper settings...let it work and you will feel the difference.

Did you check your rear tyres are in good condition ??? wheelspin might be due to bad grip from tyres sometimes.. Hehehe


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Yeah, ill double check... I normally drive very sensibly keeping to speed limits & stuff... Im all about road safety & observation observation observation! & i dont go Ragging about... just this time... at first i was suprised, then i was embarrased & then i was just plain impressed! i may do it one last time in an empty carpark when the powerbox is installed & get a video posted on youtube & then that will be it... no more burnouts!
I used to do a lot of sideways drifting in icy (empty) carparks to hone my winter snow/ice driving skills, learning how to handle a vehicle in a sideways skid & what it feels like to be in one etc... good practice & lots of fun!
Saying that though, i wouldnt want to do much of that in a vehicle of my height...lol
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I can relate to that, used to rally my truck around the field and yes it is good fun if you ever get a slide on in winter you know how to handle it, all thats been ruined now .....newer model has traction control which means I no longer get stuck in on sale sites but no fun either!! if you are u tubing dont forget to take of no plates even if on private land....saves hassle...if you get the drift!!
I used to get parts from a van breaker in oxfordshire and when the sprinters first came out they used to get loads in with people booting them onto roundabouts spinning and flipping straight on there sides, it was good business for them!!
Have fun and post it on here. Paul
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OMG...guys you have to see this!... i just watched it & almost pissed my pants laughing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlSnW-1g2s0&feature=share&list=PL2EA4CC95A8598930
or if that link dosnt work try (in youtube) Iveco van (by tirrolog) :P
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I bet he loves doing that , Specially like the picture near the end where some geezer is leaning out the side loading door ! imagine that going past on the M25 Ha!!!!
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I got my "Powerbox 2" now... but im not going to put it on just yet! because i need to work out how many miles to the gallon my van does at present so i will be able to get a more accurate picture its performance... That & the instructions are in very poor grammatical english so im having a job understanding them!
Those of you who already have one of these, could you please give me a step by step guide of installation please?
especially where it concearns opening up the box to tailor your setting you want...
I have the unit & some kind of small chip or module in a bag :blink: :-/ :'(
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yiannism
Jan 26 2013, 10:04 PM
I am willing to discuss with anyone interested about HHO...I can explain in more details how does it work, and that the amount of electricity you consume to produce it,, does not have to be that much....when i started building my own kit...i put down every aspect before i design it..and thats including practicality, and mostly...efficiency...Efficiency that you get from what you supply the unit (amount of current) and what amount of HHo you get from that...this is were most people go wrong..(the unit does not always have to be bulky and big to produce a specific amount of HHO...it has to be EFFICIENT.

My tests on several cars i installed it, shows that we get what we need to get, and thats fuel saving.
So actually..in plain words...someone will say....you draw for example 20amps from your alternator..meaning is working harder to produce it..so you burn more fuel....NO, Thats not the way....In real life tests...the 20amps you draw from your alternator..in connection with how much HHO this 20amp gives you...comes out to be more economical..you got to have it working in harmony with the whole engine.,...you cant just draw50amps current to produce HHO..but at the end you using only 50% of what you producing....the rest is useless..
On the other hand...if you dont know exactly what your doing and how an HHO systems works, with full measuremens,,,you will end up with much less fuel savings that you normally do..and this is because, when the engine sucks air...it calculates the amount of air, the quality of air, and the ecu send the appropriate amount of diesel to the compastion to burn..conclusion is..MORE HHO DOES NOT MEAN more fuel savings..it might turn like boomerang ending to spend more fuel..

Efficieny and harmonic operation is what makes the system work..

Of course i am open in any help or details anyone needs to be informed, my backround gives me ability to do that, and discuss all apsects about it.(maths, chemist, and electronics)

Regards
John
Hi John,
Love to hear more on this subject please.
Just to add , I experimented with a number of HHO systems , on various vehicles . I did seem to get better mpg on a few tanks on my 2.4 Hiace , but could never repeat it !
One system I built gave 1 1/2 lts/min @ 18AMPS - Did loads of back-to-back testing on a 1.9D , each run showed no improvement.
I understand the longer you use it , the better the engine will run , but that did'nt work in my case.
Have watched loads of vid's showing 10-20% improvements , but these are easy to fix.
Maybe I was not producing enough HHO for the power needed , or did'nt give it long enough.
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Watch out with that cheap china made powerbox, there is no safty margin anymore and maybe the engine is running with too high combustion temperatures or just too rich. (head gasket) You will never know until it's broken.
It is just a risk you have to take.
Edited by wbts, Feb 6 2013, 03:46 PM.
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@ Mark

Yes as you said it...you might not producing enough HHO to see the results. (or your producing steam)
What i did is i calculated in mathematical equations what should i build in order to produce the amount of HHO an engine needs.

it is false to assume that a higher HHO gas production will mean a higher fuel saving. There is an optimum point for all internal combustions engines.The system should provide around 0,3 liter/min of HHO per each 1000 cm3 of engine displacement. This what my calculations showed me for major engines..not only mine.

So what does it make it to be efficient or not ? Some cell developers would run their units with so much amperage that the unit was producing more steam than anything else. If your unit runs hot to the touch, you must suspect that at least part of your output is steam. (this is not good for your engine)
Also, what size of plates the unit is build, and how many plates ?
There are many factors to consider regarding an HHO system, Plate thickness, plate separators, quantity and quality of plates, amount of water , quality of water, amount of electrolyte, the quality of it, the ratio between water/electrolyte mix.Loose connections... ("lamda sensors" several of them in some engines,) can be critical they might need a bit of modification because they are the ones sending all the info to the ecu
You just have to start with low amp on your unit, and low electrolyte, check you have no leaks of HHO from the cell or any hoses.
My experience with the systems showed me that even the engines might be of a same model (made, brand) they have differences in how healthy they are, so different settings for each one, not much but there is a difference, also i see that on carburator or injection atmospheric engines (non turbo) the HHO is working with much better results

We can open a new topic for HHO and we can discuss it more detailed there

Rgdrs
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A new topic would be good John.
Just to add , I built wet and dry systems , the latter being the best. I had no vapour being produced , and when ignited would burn rapidly.
All vehicles tested were diesel's.
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Feb 5 2013, 10:16 PM
I got my "Powerbox 2" now... but im not going to put it on just yet! because i need to work out how many miles to the gallon my van does at present so i will be able to get a more accurate picture its performance... That & the instructions are in very poor grammatical english so im having a job understanding them!
Those of you who already have one of these, could you please give me a step by step guide of installation please?
especially where it concearns opening up the box to tailor your setting you want...
I have the unit & some kind of small chip or module in a bag :blink: :-/ :'(
Does anyone know the answer to this one? ^^
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Am i just "Really Thick" or something?.... Its just i dont understand these instructions very well... the english is so bad! its laughable...
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ok so i have worked out what the tiny black chip/thing is... but the rest is still a little daunting due to the Idiocracy of the instructions..."Telephone Exchange"? WTF?
Edited by Babooser, Feb 9 2013, 05:36 PM.
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