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what van to tow 3.5 ton; looking for a van with 3.5 ton tow limit
Topic Started: Sep 24 2012, 04:24 PM (30,174 Views)
muddy1
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hi new to here first post
if posting in wrong place please move looked for general info but could not see :unsure:
i am looking for a box van to tow large 3.5 ton trailer ( 24ft long 11ft high 7ft wide ) 4 wheeled with wheel in each corner so stable
but cant find the model number i need?
could do with 1.5 to 2 ton load in van
any body help with a model
and any one towing this weight with van would like to hear your thoughts
thanks chris ;)
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muddy1
Sep 24 2012, 04:24 PM
hi new to here first post
if posting in wrong place please move looked for general info but could not see :unsure:
i am looking for a box van to tow large 3.5 ton trailer ( 24ft long 11ft high 7ft wide ) 4 wheeled with wheel in each corner so stable
but cant find the model number i need?
could do with 1.5 to 2 ton load in van
any body help with a model
and any one towing this weight with van would like to hear your thoughts
thanks chris ;)
Hi Chris

I don't know if you need this for hire or reward, if so you will need:

Tachograph
"O" License
A CPC to get the Licence
A six weekly Safety check
and something like £8000 in the bank just in case you need to repair anything.

but if you are aware of this, I had a 35 s 18 that had the 3500 lowing limit, but
you won't get any more that about 1100kgs in the van.

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hi thanks for reply
yes understand i need ol and taco

but got no way round it

it is for business use but my own goods so not hire and reward however we all now what vosa are like so best be legal

can the 35 tow 3.5 ton i thought 35 was a 3.5 ton train weight having a prob understanding the numbers

if ton inside then that is what it will be tow capacity more important
looked at a land rover 110 no ol req but still tacho
thanks chris
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Hi,

You will need an Iveco with a 3.0 engine and twin rear wheels, from what I've seen, all Dailys with this combination will tow 3500kg. The Daily is the only van that can tow this weight!

To get a 2000kg payload in the van, you will need to be looking for a van over 3.5t, maybe 4.5 or 5t.

So you need to be looking/searching for something like:

50c18 - 50=5.0t gross weight, c=twin rear wheel, 180=180bhp
45c17 - 4.5t gross weight, twin wheel, 170bhp.

s denotes single rear wheel, but you won't find this on any van over 3.5t anyway. I think the 3.0 engines come in 15, 17, 18, and 20 flavours, anything smaller will probably be a 2.3l and they have a lower towing weight. The 20 is 205bhp but rare. If you need a big box van you may even need to look at the 65c which is a 6.5t van.

You can double check a van will tow 3500kg by checking the vin plate under the bonnet, the top two figures are gross weight and train weight, if you deduct the lower number from the higher number, the difference is the towing weight. A 5000kg van would therefore show a train weight of 8500kg. If you are driving on grandfather rights >7.5t (i.e. not an HGV license) you will have a train weight limit of something like 8250kg, so a fully laden 5t van and 3.5t trailer would not be covered by the license as it would be 8500kg.
Edited by Spooky_b329, Sep 24 2012, 09:04 PM.
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thanks for that info just what i needed ;)
have grand father rights but hold class 1 any way
i now understand the model numbers so know what to look for
it is tow weight i need more than load in van but a good size van will help keep trailer in check
any one towed with big trailer i understand not the fastest but dont need to rush
just got to watch size of van for over all size as trailer is long
thans chris

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Yeh I tow a 'heavy' trailer, my 35s12 will legally tow 2800kg and I tow a 3000kg trailer that I replated to 2800kg (just to be safe as I couldn't find a clear answer on whether it was 'actual' or 'maximum permitted' weight that matters. It usually weighs around 2100kg.

My van is quite 'wobbly' but the trailer doesn't make it any worse, but my 120bhp does struggle on the hills!

Keep in mind the huge overhang on some of these vans as they do exaggerate any steering input, really really fantastic for reversing but don't help on blustery days. What are you towing, a trade/catering stand? Sounds big...have you cracked reversing it yet?! (for anyone that skim read, muddy is towing a turntable trailer so the front axle rotates under the front of the trailer)
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hi spooky
reversing :$
first time the other day in our yard had to reverse it 90 deg in to unit behind a transit what can i say a whole hour it took me :ermm:
will get better ;) takes me about one min with my twin wheel 18ft car trailer
could not believe how fast it turned but very stable forward took down yard to weigh bridge to get actual weight
all on private land so no prob but soon need to be on road
but have made and put a tow ball on front of my van today so i can move it around easy in yard
it a show/display trailer all my own goods no hire and reward
so going for a restricted o/l
chris :)
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muddy1
Sep 24 2012, 09:31 PM
thanks for that info just what i needed ;)
have grand father rights but hold class 1 any way
i now understand the model numbers so know what to look for
it is tow weight i need more than load in van but a good size van will help keep trailer in check
any one towed with big trailer i understand not the fastest but dont need to rush
just got to watch size of van for over all size as trailer is long
thans chris

as others have said the twin wheeler is poss the best, but I had a 35 s 18 which was rated at
7000kgs gross train weight, so there is some about.

if you are into having a "O" licence then it poss does not matter, but don't forget when
driving solo in a 3.5 tonner you won't have a speed restriction as you would in a heaver
van.

PS you have a email

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would go with out o license if poss but as soon as i hook trailer up i am over weight limit
as i understand it
3.5 ton ok add tow bar and there we go tacho and o license so i am told any one knows differant would like to here
i am not hire and reward just my own goods but for business
chris

ps sent email
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muddy1
Sep 25 2012, 03:45 PM

so going for a restricted o/l
for your own use, you do not need an O licence. you only need that if its transporting goods for hire or reward. but you will need a tacho when towing (you can put it out of scope when your not towing)

as for weights, it seems to be twin wheel vans, engine size doesnt matter (i have a 35S12 panel van with 6.3t train, and a 35C12 flatbed with 7t train)

towed many trailers the size your talking about. little slow on a hill, but otherwise stable enough
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Steve, I suspect your 35c12 is a 2.8L engine? This might have a higher towing limit.
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Sep 28 2012, 07:11 PM
Steve, I suspect your 35c12 is a 2.8L engine? This might have a higher towing limit.
no, its the 2.3ltr engine. same as the other van has

used to have one with the 3ltr, which was also a 7t train weight, but sold it a few month ago

didnt think they made a 2.8ltr for the newish shape? (its an 09)

also, they do have either different gearbox or axle ratio - the flatbed revs higher than the panel van
Edited by steve_morrison, Sep 28 2012, 07:44 PM.
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thanks for replys
vosa say i need o/l as it business use even with my own goods?
not hire and reward
but is commercial use acording to them?
chris

if it was private use would not need either
i was unsure but vosa not helpfull
they just say i need one
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from what you have said, you do not need an O licence

VOSA link - http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/small-trailer-leaflet/small-trailer-leaflet.pdf

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thanks for link
as it says if trailer is less than 1000 odd kg unladen you dont need o license
but my trailer is 3.5 ton laden and unladen as it carrys no load it is at top weight all time
due to size etc let me see if i can attach picture
chris
not sure if that worked
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